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      13 comments  ·  Public » Getting Started  ·  Flag idea as inappropriate…  ·  Admin →
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        970 comments  ·  Public » UX/Design  ·  Flag idea as inappropriate…  ·  Admin →
        planned  ·  Suphatra responded

        Hi everyone, thank you for your patience since the last update.

        We want to extend a huge thanks to all of you who have engaged with us on this topic of compact chat. Your input has been invaluable and helped inform our design and decision-making.

        As we look to 2019, we will be pursuing plans to continue to make the product more and more space efficient. We see this as a guiding design principle, as well as a backlog of requests from UserVoice that we catalogue, discuss, debate, brainstorm and problem solve.

        This principle is also why we will not be making a sharp design turn towards a permanently heavy dense design. Our user base is a wide range of people — such as high school students, the visually impaired, open source developers, and your every day knowledge worker. Because of our broad reach, we must maintain a standard of…

        Jim commented  · 

        Good news! My group of Microsoft developers (and the rest of the company) is moving to Slack today! My company bought Office365 Premium that includes Teams -- which makes it "free" to use. But, even the "free" version of Teams costs too much. As a longtime Microsoft developer, this is a sad day. But, definitely a very good day now that we will have a tool for professional communication.

        Jim commented  · 

        Teams UI is clearly a problem. But, I am much more concerned about a company -- Microsoft -- that antagonizes developers while publicly stating:

        1. "Empowering developers"
        2. "Microsoft has been a developer-focused company..."
        3. "First, we will empower developers at every stage of the development lifecycle..."

        Just a few samples from public statements. And, yet this thread -- primarily developers -- is pointedly ignored. The highest voted UI request ignored.

        As reminder, developers and the managers who once were developers make software decisions. Antagonizing recommenders and decision makers is usually considered a negative in sales and marketing.

        Teams UI is embarassing. To pointedly ignore your core constituency ... priceless.

        Of course, that is just my opinion. I could be wrong.

        Jim commented  · 

        "still in the works".

        Not sure how to take that. I am pretty sure that the Teams team does not understand "compact".

        1. Hiding or moving the Reply button has been declined. The Reply button is a major contributor to unused space. Moving or hiding the Reply button is a major step toward a compact layout
        https://microsoftteams.uservoice.com/forums/555103-public/suggestions/16925779-hide-the-reply-button-under-every-message

        2. Teams auto hides comments!!!!! Actual comments. Actual information is auto hidden. But, all the wasted white space remains. Wow. Talk about not getting the message about "compact". For 10,000 years of human communication, humans have iteratively compressed the white space in order to have denser information because denser equals easier and faster. That is why we use alphabets and not heiroglyphics. Compress the white space NOT the information!

        For the record: "compact" means more information, less wasted space.

        Jim commented  · 

        Clearly, Microsoft if NOT reading this thread.

        A few weeks ago, on an investor website called SeekingAlpha, the subject of MSFT (Microsoft stock symbol) came up. Developers supposedly are key to Microsoft's strategy. And, then a couple of the comments below the article brought up Teams as a "brand damaging" application. Brand damaging. Interesting choice of words.

        Flash forward a couple of weeks and Microsoft announces the the purchase of github with the words "empowering developers" in its announcement. And, then there is Teams -- widely hated by developers as evidenced by the 598 comments and 4,583 votes for a "Professional" layout.

        An interesting conflict of priorities at Microsoft. It will be interesting to see how it turns out.

        Jim commented  · 

        The comment below had a great deal of right justification ... removed. Ironic.

        Jim commented  · 

        Based on the 585 comments so far ...

        Teams is not suitable for professional programmers.

        There is

        too much

        white space

        and distracting lines

        and colors

        The right justification is crazy.

        Teams

        violates all of the

        rules for communication.

        Signal strength

        is very, very low. And

        noise is very, very high.

        It is apparently

        difficult to communicate
        this concept to those who

        handle the requirements

        at Microsoft.

        Suggestion:

        Make this comments
        section use the
        same layout as Teams.

        And, see if you find it

        as difficult

        to read

        as I do.

        And, could you please

        give us the ability to copy

        & paste code?

        I am glad that Microsoft has

        many who like this type

        of layout. But, it appears

        from the comments

        that professional programmers are not

        in that group of happy campers.

        Jim commented  · 

        Teams (as best as I can tell) emulates Facebook and Pinterest: big bold around names, avatars that get their very own column, lots of distracting colors, white space as well as boxes that absorb space and add noise. All of this noise makes it very difficult to read or use for communication between professionals. Emphasis on "use for communication".

        If the goal of Teams is professional communication, then please remove ALL of the distracting elements -- or provide a means to do so.

        As noted by others, the signal strength of Teams is very low and the noise level is high. To be useful, the signal to noise ratio must be dramatically improved.

        As a developer specializing in and with many certifications for the Microsoft stack, I had much higher expectations for Teams.

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        Jim commented  · 

        I downloaded and installed the latest Teams version this morning (3/28). Could not tell a difference although it is possible it compressed slightly.

        Please remove (or provide a setting that removes) all whitespace -- emphasis on "all". As part of that white space removal, please move the Reply button up to the Name line. Reply is effectively white space because it adds no information. Currently there is white space between every message -- a single pixel line is sufficient for a separator. White space makes the information less dense which slows reading. And white space is an effective full stop that further slows reading. I believe that removing whitespace was the intent of the original request of "create a professional compact chat layout"

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            174 comments  ·  Public » Bugs  ·  Flag idea as inappropriate…  ·  Admin →

            The team is still working on this fix, as part of a larger design change. Given internal feedback, it has been decided the current design isn’t ready for primetime.

            In the meantime, someone discovered that triple clicking will actually select all of the text. I know we want the real fix, but thought I’d share.

            Thanks for your patience.

            Jim commented  · 

            I have found the key to when copy works and when it does not.

            IF the user name appears in the tetxt block, THEN the "... [bookmark][thumbsup]" appear in the line above the text. CONSEQUENTLY the text can be copied.

            IF the sender adds a second line AND the second line does not include the sender's name, THEN the "... [bookmark][thumbsup]" appears in the same line as the text, CONSEQUENTLY the text is covered by the "...[bookmark][thumbsup]] and the text cannot be copied.

            I rarely use the [bookmark][thumbsup] features. I could easily get along without those features. I constantly use the copy/paste feature. Copy/paste is a fundamental requirement.

            Suggestion: remove the [bookmark][thumbsup] or put them somewhere that they cannot do harm.

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            Jim commented  · 

            Very common. Impossible to select text from a single line comment. A typical use of a chat by a programmer is to forward a database primary key, a member ID or a ticket number -- i.e. a very short identifier. These identifiers typically cannot be selected and, therefore, cannot be copied and pasted. There are exceptions, but I have not figured out the pattern that causes the exception. Reproduced by our ops team that manages Teams.

            I have learned to start EVERY message with ">". Adding the right arrow (or greater than) as the first character changes the chat box to block text where anything goes. And, whatever is typed or pasted can always be copied and pasted by the recipient. The right arrow is also a work around because Teams does not have code pasting that I can find.

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                108 comments  ·  Public » Notifications  ·  Flag idea as inappropriate…  ·  Admin →
                under review  ·  Warren responded

                This feature request is still being reviewed. The team is working hard to make numerous changes with regards to notifications, but they haven’t forgotten about this item.

                I hope to have more details soon.
                -Warren

                Jim commented  · 

                Missing notifications is so common where I work that most of the time, IF a developer bothers to send a message using Teams, they walk over and let you know.

                Chat traffic has dropped significantly since we moved to Teams for reasons such as this one. Its just easier to use another communication method.

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                  191 comments  ·  Public » Messaging  ·  Flag idea as inappropriate…  ·  Admin →
                  declined  ·  Warren responded

                  Hate to be the bearer of bad news. This item has been declined. There will be no work to hide or remove the reply button.

                  As many people have commented, a big ask is to help improve how people distinguish between giving a reply and starting a new message.
                  For that the focus will be on this item. “Better visual delineation between `Reply` and `Start a new conversation`”
                  http://microsoftteams.uservoice.com/forums/555103/suggestions/19224826

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                    482 comments  ·  Public » Performance  ·  Flag idea as inappropriate…  ·  Admin →
                    working on it  ·  Warren responded

                    The feature is still being worked upon. Many different changes are going into Teams and will provide a slow but steady pace to our performance increases.

                    I don’t have any new details at the moment but hope to get some additional feedback in the next several weeks.

                    -Warren

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                      4 comments  ·  Public » UX/Design  ·  Flag idea as inappropriate…  ·  Admin →
                      Jim commented  · 

                      Agreed. For my money, remove the Reply button completely -- or provide a setting to do so. It wastes space AND it causes a great deal of confusion. Once a Reply thread is started, then it jumps ahead in the sequence such that other replies -- that did not use the Reply button -- are lost. At the very least, provide a setting -- per room -- to remove Reply. A simple hide works.

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                          Jim commented  · 

                          When we first got Teams, this was a problem. Now that people have actually used Teams, it is no longer a problem because most people stopped using chat. And, one of those reasons was this exact problem: it is very difficult to switch between conversations.

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                                under review  ·  Warren responded

                                This feature is still being reviewed by the feature team. No decision has been made yet. I’ll keep you posted.

                                -Warren

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                                  Jim commented  · 

                                  I have to agree: Teams is NOT about professional communication. It seems to be an attempt to have Facebook in the office. VERY difficult to use for communication in a professional environment. But, it comes with O365 and managers think that it is "free". Teams is a huge impediment to communication because the goal appears to be a Facebook for the office app. We were using an Atlassian product that is targeted at comm Since being forced to Teams because it is "free", participation has steadily dropped. Developers are not big fans of Facebook at the office it appears.

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